FD3/64-2:1!

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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Hi Anders

With low pressure ratio combustors they certainly need to be larger , combustors are compared by their "combustion intensity " .....BTU's / cubic foot/atmosphere/hour , so if the "atmospheres" ie pressure , is low , then the cubic feet need to be greater to compensate .

The engine shouldn't run any "hotter" , the ultimate temperature will depend on what the turbine wheel can survive , but what will be "relatively" hotter is the exhaust due to there being a small pressure ratio across the turb stage and jet nozzle resulting in less temperature drop occuring for the same TIT as a higher pressure ratio engine , .................less pressure/temp drop means less power :-(

OT , .................LOL.....with a compressor sucking >200 hp from the turbine , an extra hp or 2 for brass bushes and thrust bearing , is kinda irrelevant ...............balls at high rpm create a lot of drag , so theres not such a big difference between them and "brass" , balls are best at those lower initial spoolup rpm , thats why they're better on performance automotive turbos where you want every last millisecond of turbo lag to be eliminate, but for us , we're idling at a decent "boost" , so that advantage the balls have is negated to a large extent .

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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Update :D
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Diffusor blades 1mm steel.
Diffusor blades 1mm steel.
Base plate material, 3mm steel and 14mm plywood.
Base plate material, 3mm steel and 14mm plywood.
Rear.
Rear.
Front.
Front.
Diffusor blades in place.
Diffusor blades in place.
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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It is looking better and better! :D
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Thank you.

Here is the result of yet a coupple of well spent hours :D
This is the hardest part to make in my opinion. Its about 40% completed in this stage.
Guide vane cone.
Guide vane cone.
Gluing  the paper template on to the cone.
Gluing the paper template on to the cone.
40% done...
40% done...
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Finished cutting out, sanding and finaly welding the NGV blades today. This simple procedure took about 6 hours...
The 1mm stainless steel that the vanes are made of is hard to cut, but ok to sand/grind.
The result is not perfect, but hopefully good enough.
Next step is to make the shaft locator that will slide into the place currently
occupied by the plywood jig.
Before welding.
Before welding.
After welding.
After welding.
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Update; finally finished the NGV parts!
Wise from experience, its well spent time truing up the turbine housing.
Wise from experience, its well spent time truing up the turbine housing.
Central part with slide-in-fit.
Central part with slide-in-fit.
This is how the internal part af the combustion chamber will line up.
This is how the internal part af the combustion chamber will line up.
Adjusteble shaft tube locator in place. This 1mm stainless steel bracket is the only direct heat transfere path from the internal structur of the motor to the ball bearings in the central shaft tube, exept from the shaft itself of course.
Adjusteble shaft tube locator in place. This 1mm stainless steel bracket is the only direct heat transfere path from the internal structur of the motor to the ball bearings in the central shaft tube, exept from the shaft itself of course.
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Have you given the material thickness any thought? Relatively large NGV areas and only 1mm stainless sheet, won´t there be a risk of heat warping?

Nice work anyway, looking forward to the first test video! :D
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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I simply took the material I had laying around in my work shop, but you are right, it might become a problem.
The curvature of the blades gives them a little extra rigidity though, and they give a more trust worthy impression IRL :wink: ....
There are so many things that can go wrong..... :(
Today I have made a air inlet (trumpet shaped) cone of glass fibre, still in the curing process.
I’m currently working on the fuel delivery ring dimensioned for propane.
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Update.

I made some progress today as well :D
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The turbine housing section  is now tack-welded in place and the outer housing is cut to right length.
The turbine housing section is now tack-welded in place and the outer housing is cut to right length.
Steel fuel ring with 10 small brass tubes hard soldered in place.
Steel fuel ring with 10 small brass tubes hard soldered in place.
Combustion chamber almost completed, a few radial spacers are yet to be made. The outer circular part is removable.
Combustion chamber almost completed, a few radial spacers are yet to be made. The outer circular part is removable.
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Looking good Axel!

I'll be following this thread!
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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It is starting to look like a gas turbine now, nice work!

Have you calculated the max revs of the compressor, and if so how did you do it?
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Thank you for your support guys!

Regarding compressor rev, i just assume, and hope, that it will be able to take half of the original designs rpm:75000rpm/2.
According to Shreckling it is the inner part, "the leading edge" of the compressor blades that will fail first, so adding more carbon fibre around the compressor is not the solution. The compressor he made has survived 90.000rpm as well so 75.000 include a safety margin.
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Inlet glas fiber cone.  What do they say? Third time is a charm....Tredje gången gillt!
Inlet glas fiber cone. What do they say? Third time is a charm....Tredje gången gillt!
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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Since I had a couple of mini sparkplugs laying in a box doing no good, I decided to mount one of them in the combustion camber. The size of this motor makes it easy to add such things...
Right now I am working on the shaft tunnel. In this first attempt I will try to build it by welding several pieces of aluminium together. If this does not work I will turn it down from a solid cylinder instead. It’s just such a waste of material.
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Spark plug! High temperature silicon on top.
Spark plug! High temperature silicon on top.
Front cover plate turned down to match the compressor wheel and the intake cone. Cone not yet glued in place.
Front cover plate turned down to match the compressor wheel and the intake cone. Cone not yet glued in place.
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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It is never a waste of material if you build gas turbine parts out of it. 8)
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Re: FD3/64-2:1!

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The first version of the shaft tunnel is coming along fine. It’s not at all difficult to weld aluminium as long as the argon gas keeps flowing. I always thought it was close to impossible to weld aluminium at home using a ordinary mig-mag machine..
Simple but working Laser tachometer hack. The laser diode and the photo diode has been pulled out and re-conected via extension cord. Mounted on the front cover plate.
Simple but working Laser tachometer hack. The laser diode and the photo diode has been pulled out and re-conected via extension cord. Mounted on the front cover plate.
The laser diode and the photo diode
The laser diode and the photo diode
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