Plastic Soda Bottle + Alcohol = Rocket

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re: Plastic Soda Bottle + Alcohol = Rocket

Post by El-Kablooey » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:14 am

I know for a fact that aluminum and HCl releases HCL gas, just try it. Drop some Al in some HCL, let it get bubbling, stick your head over the bucket, take a big whiff, and then tell me that it is hydrogen gas. Of course you will have to wait until your lungs heal and you are able to speak again.
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Post by Mark » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:26 am

Often when you, say mix aluminum and NaOH, it makes a lot of heat, and heat can tend to evaporate some of the NaOH as well as the fizzing. It will produce a choking odor. I suspect heating concentrated HCl would do the same. It kind of smokes all by itself when you take the cap off the bottle.
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Post by El-Kablooey » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:54 am

You are leaving the H2O out of the reaction
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Post by Mark » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:55 am

I should say hydrochloric acid is really HCL gas dissolved in water. It seems a good bet some of it, HCl gas, is escaping in the mist.
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Post by Mark » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:06 am

El-Kablooey wrote:You are leaving the H2O out of the reaction
Which reaction?
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Post by Dang911 » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:10 am

Mark, you said you could buy Methanol at WALMART. Under what name does it go by, and how much does it cost, for what quantity?
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Post by Ray » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:14 am

If you want a hydrogen powered rocket, by electrolysis no less, you need look no further than Estes.

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Post by El-Kablooey » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:16 am

It's about 70% HCL and 30% steam. I know this from previous HAZMAT experience. It is the common method used by meth cooks to produce anhydrous HCl to convert their product from its freebase form to its HCL derivitave.
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Post by Mark » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:45 am

Dang911 wrote:Mark, you said you could buy Methanol at WALMART. Under what name does it go by, and how much does it cost, for what quantity?
I posted the info a few posts back!!! The top of this page.
http://www.goldeagle.com/heet/products.htm
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Post by Mark » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:52 pm

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Post by Mark » Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:49 pm

"Magnesium only reacts with methanol if the water content of the methanol is below 1%. Try drying it with anhydrous K2CO3 or better CaO or even better CaC2."
I found this on some chemistry forum.
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re: Plastic Soda Bottle + Alcohol = Rocket

Post by Rambo » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:50 pm

This is a very easy way to get hidrogen. Al+NaOH+H2O=>NaAlO2+H2
try to put NaOH, pieses of jar cover(or other Al pieses) and H2O in a beer can.You will get a steem and H2.

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