NGV's and Turbine wheels...!

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NGV's and Turbine wheels...!

Post by Smithy » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:10 am

Hey All,
I'm a newbie so please be gentle with me :D I'm in the process of building a KJ66 replica and would like to know where I can buy 66mm turbine wheels and NGV's, everything else I can pretty much do myself. I work in the aerospace industry and have a fair working knowledge of turbines and their fuel control systems, I currently work on the Rolls-Royce 250 C-20 and C-30 helicopter engines and fuels controls.

I am crew chief for a jet dragster here in Australia and eventually this engine will be going into a 10th or 12th scale Jet Dragster, ultimately it will be getting an afterburner setup just like the real ones, any tips, suggestions or criticisms will be welcomed with open arms.

Below is a pic of our jet powered car, enjoy.

Cheers,
Smithy.
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nice wheels

Post by craigclavin » Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:06 am

Nice job, and nice car!
:P
Im not sure if this company still sells parts, but you could email them and see

http://www.artesjet.com/prod01.htm

Or try contact Alan at abc micro turbines - info@abcmicroturbines.com

You could just build the missing parts? Im sure if you can build a beast like that you can make up your own!
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I mean here, wow!

Post by Irvine.J » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:54 am

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
From one aussie to another...You bloody ripper.
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Jet car project.

Post by Smithy » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:14 pm

Hey Craig,
I contacted Eric at Artesjet and unfortunately they no longer supply parts for the KJ-66, I will try Alan at ABC miroturbines, and thanks for the links.

The real jet car doesn't belong to me, I just helped build it and look after it's health, the thing is a rocketship too, capable of mid-low 5's @ 280+mph over the 1/4 mile.

Has anybody had a look at the Jet-Joe range of engines?, here's a link to their website: http://www.jetjoeus.com They seen to be very reasonably priced too!

Cheers,
Smithy.

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Re: I mean here, wow!

Post by Smithy » Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:18 pm

Irvine.J wrote::shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
From one aussie to another...You bloody ripper.
Hey James,
Certainly is good to see a few Aussies here on this forum, hopefully I can pick the brains of everybody without causing too much drama! I'm willing to learn more about these little spinning turbine marvels.

Cheers,
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Brain pickin' goodness

Post by Irvine.J » Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:05 am

I don't know about pickin' brains, seems to me like a good way to get mad cow....BUT, lol yeah its a great place to share and find info, ask questions etc. Jet Joe came up in discussion a while back, i'll find the thread, generally, their lack of any sort of balancing ring etc = really bad. I think in the "Is jet joe downright dangerous" vote something like 31% (31%!!!!) of owners said yes. If its any more then 10% is bad, so 31%, well, that just plain bad. I think I said something clever and witty like "Its only 800 instead of 3000 dollars for a reason..."

Found it,
heres the link to the post, its an interesting read none the less.
http://www.pulse-jets.com/phpbb2/viewto ... ht=jet+joe
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Re: Brain pickin' goodness

Post by Smithy » Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:30 am

Found it,
heres the link to the post, its an interesting read none the less.
http://www.pulse-jets.com/phpbb2/viewto ... ht=jet+joe[/quote]

Thanks James, I'll check it out and see what happens. If it's just a balancing problem, I can fix it here at my work, we have a nice ridiculously acurate "Schenk" balancing machine to play with, it'll do down to a gazzilionth of an oz-in!....or for the metrically inclined gram-mm! :wink:

So if there is anybody out there who needs their turbine balanced, let me know and we'll sort something out!

Cheers,
Smithy.

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Post by adam » Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:52 pm

hey smithy, i purchased a jetjoe here a few months back because i live only 20 minutes from the guy, any way he put every thing together for me and it was only $800 for every thing including the reciever, fuel pump, and remote controll, basicaly every thing needed to run, now for the safety part, i can tell you this>> he was flying his jets at our local rc feild and i have never seen a actual micro turbine start up or running in real life, so when i saw him there i was excited to see him start the thing up, so as he spooled up his little 12lber turbine engine, i was pretty stupid for what i did but i stood right behind it and looked right down into the rear of the engine as it was throttling up from idle just to see how much air was blowing out the back and comparing it to my pulse jets power, well as the engine spooled up to say around 150,000 just a guess by the sound of the engine, it blew up right in my face and i was lucky i didnt get hurt and i was only about 8 feet behind it, two turbine blade were ripped off of the wheel and the rear bearingings were shot out ever where as well, it sounded like a big tthhhuummppp. well i was lucky right! well he took it apart and at that time i was interested in buying one because of the price, so later that day he called me and said it was bearing failure because he noticed his lube line was kinked or clogged up or something, so he said if a bought one which was also a 12lber because that was the chaepest one, that it probably wouldnt do that as long as i checked that the lube lines wernt kinked. so the enigne i purchased ran fine every single time with no problem but i only put no more than 2 hours or run time on it because i ended up selling it after i heard all the reviews about that product, but im not saying anything bad about him, hes a cool dude but i dont know about the products that he sell that well, i think the engine i had worked good but then again you never know if there is a little imballance without using special equipment to detect it which i didnt own, but you said you got all the equipment to balance and stuff, i think if you are creative and like to build things and do maching type work, then it would be a great idea to buy one of his engines because you can perfect it and the parts or the whole engine is really cheap.

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Re: adam

Post by Smithy » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:40 pm

Hey Adam,

Thanks for the write-up.

I hear what you're saying, personally I think you're much better off behind or in front of a jet when it lets go, generally, most of the parts tend to shoot out perpendicular to the engine's axis rather than back or forward, mind you it's not nice to see one explode at any time.

I've personally wittnessed a helicopter turbine engine let go on a test bed, not a nice thing, there were bits 'n pieces everywhere, most of the shrapnel was lodged in the walls and ceiling of the test room on the plane of the turbine. This was near 20 years ago now and the manufacturer has since installed a "containment shield" within the engine casing to help eliminate any possible airframe or personell injuries etc... they can be scary things if not treated with respect.

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Post by craigclavin » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:09 pm

Smithy - im very familiar with the schenck balance machines, there are several at my work that checks the balance of a turbine wheel by weighing it at different points and comparing the measurements. And yeh, they are accurate to incredible amounts!

How far have you come with the kj? I would be tempted to contact phill at
Heward Micro-Jets
http://www.heward-microjets.co.uk/contacts.shtml
for plans of his Pheonix - its such a beautiful jet and you can buy all the parts from him! Performance wise im lead to believe the engines are far more superior to the kj66 - which is slowly becoming dated - correct me if im wrong anyone!
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Post by Mike Everman » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:44 pm

Smithy,
Welcome to our group! It's nice to see folks that really make things go show up, and have daily contact with real propulsion systems. That car is fabulous.
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Post by Smithy » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:51 pm

craigclavin wrote:Smithy - im very familiar with the schenck balance machines, there are several at my work that checks the balance of a turbine wheel by weighing it at different points and comparing the measurements. And yeh, they are accurate to incredible amounts!

How far have you come with the kj? I would be tempted to contact phill at
Heward Micro-Jets
http://www.heward-microjets.co.uk/contacts.shtml
for plans of his Pheonix - its such a beautiful jet and you can buy all the parts from him! Performance wise im lead to believe the engines are far more superior to the kj66 - which is slowly becoming dated - correct me if im wrong anyone!
Hey Craig,
We have two Schenck machines here, one for the larger turbines such as the Rolls-Royce AE2100, which is the turboprop engine fitted to the "J" model Hercules, it's model number eludes me though, the other, Model # HL2B, is used primarily for the smaller rotatives such as the Rolls-Royce (Allison) 250 C20 and C30 heli engines and yes, we use the "comparative" method too, we have a "master arbor" which is regularly sent to Schenck for calibration which is used as a reference for the P&W PT6 rotatives we do here as well. Adding the tiniest piece of plasticene can throw the readings off the screen, but I digress.....sorry, I tend to ramble somewhat....!

I've heard of the Pheonix but know very little if anything about it, please tell me more!

My KJ66 project is coming along slowly, I'm in the process of gathering all the correct materials etc..I am planning to use unserviceable combustion liners as material for the KJ66 combustion chamber and tail cone, I don't think I could do much better than that, it's the right stuff!! The NGV and Tubine wheel will be puchased from "JetMax", they look to be top quality. The shaft will be spun out of a nice piece of EN36 tool steel I picked up the other day, I plan to rough it down close to size, thread the ends, then heat treat and carry out a final grind to size on our centre grinding machine, I trust it will turn out nicely, time will tell. That's all I've done so far, work keeps getting in the way. As you say the KJ66 is getting a little dated but if the correct materials are used, nice tolerances kept and the combustion chamber is up to the task, it should be a nice reliable hair dryer :lol:

Eventually I'd like to fit a fairly large thrust engine to my project scale jet car, something in the 30-35lb range and also outfit it with an afterburner, but this is a long term idea, whether if comes to fruition is another thing!!

Cheers,
Smithy

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Post by Smithy » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:04 pm

Mike Everman wrote:Smithy,
Welcome to our group! It's nice to see folks that really make things go show up, and have daily contact with real propulsion systems. That car is fabulous.
Hey Mike,
Thanks for the kind welcome and thanks for pushing my membership through so quickly, muchly appreciated indeed. I'm sure there are a lot of guys 'n gals out there who know a much more than I, and I plan to ask plenty of questions too. Thanks for the compliment on the car, I have plenty of pics of it if anybody would like to see more!

Model turbines are fairly new to me and although I work on and play with the real thing, I still get a thrill from seeing and hearing a little turbine spool up to speeds of 100k+ rpm :lol: Our jet drag car tops out at only 16,904rpm @ 100%, seems rather inadequate doesn't it...!??


Cheers,
Smithy.

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Post by Mike Everman » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:38 am

Maybe you should check jetbeetle.com
Horace is a friend and member of the forum.
He makes turbines and NGV's of inconel. Maybe he has a set that you could use.
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Post by Smithy » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:56 am

Mike Everman wrote:Maybe you should check jetbeetle.com
Horace is a friend and member of the forum.
He makes turbines and NGV's of inconel. Maybe he has a set that you could use.
Thanks for the info Mike,
I'll check into it and do as you suggest.

Cheers,
Smithy.
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