Original Gluhareff Engines / We have 2

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Original Gluhareff Engines / We have 2

Post by luc » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:10 pm

Greetings,

As some of you might know, Conception GLC inc. purchased 2 original 20 Lbs. oval intake Gluhareff Engines and we have them here now.

Now ... We have an open window on Engene's mind and manufacturing process and one thing we can confirm from preliminary inspection, is that Nooo ... These engines are not to plans in many aspect of what is specified or instructed on the plans or the manual.

So ... This is proof #1 that there are some difference between what is on the drawings and the engines Eugene's built. As a note, the plans I have here are from a CD provided to me by Vortech and strangely, the CD is labeled R.Q. Riley. Knowing these two are not on the same side, but more competitors, I wounder how Vortech got its hand on R.Q. Riley's CD and furthermore, how the hell can he sell these without consequences. Anyway, for those who plan to purchase plans set, I recommend you think twice before doing it ... At least until we find all that is to be found.

The next step now, will be to benchmark these two engines to verify their performances and compare them to our two 20 Lbs. (35 Lbs. actually) and see the differences.

Hooo ... And by the way Dave, since I know you will read this ... He he he. One of these engines is your buddy and for free. It has been approved by all GLC share holders and you just have to let us know if you want an oval intake engine or a round one.

Sooo ... The mistery is finally over. We got the engines and you can bet on us that we will once and for all ... Unveil all the mistery and truth about the original Pressure Jets.

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re: Original Gluhareff Engines / We have 2

Post by Mark » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:41 pm

Is it anything like tuning a piano? Is the key part the nozzle placement or something with those augementer deals?
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Post by Viv » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:34 pm

Mark wrote:Is it anything like tuning a piano? Is the key part the nozzle placement or something with those augementer deals?
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Yes its like tuning a piano Mark the same as any pulse jet is the same as tuning a piano, in this regard the pressure jet is no differant in that is an acoustic combustion based device along with thermodynamics and fluid dynamics as the other operating principles that can not be ignored or overlooked.

Nozzle placement is critical to best air entrainment performance, the two engines are not the same with respect to each other but that may be down to manufacturing errors, they do seem a little further out than ours and the plans but only a fraction of an inch.

This will be confirmed when we get time to do a full measure and comparison against the plans.

Duct placement is not as critical as we have been told over the years and as we have proved on the test stand with adjustable intake stacks, but having said that you still need to be pretty near the correct placement for best performance.

As we said this is a historical investigation on our part to see if we can put a few more of the myths to rest:-) any thing we find we will post and any body is welcome to double check us on any thing found.

I will borrow my little girls toy truck and put a concrete block in it and use a cheap fish scale for the thrust tests, that way Eric will be happy;-)

Viv

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re: Original Gluhareff Engines / We have 2

Post by Mark » Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:48 pm

I'd like to see a verticle lift scale, something simple and certain to be agreeable to all, just a weight of known weight tugged straight into the air. I wonder if ground effect would come into play? ha
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Post by Viv » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:26 am

Mark wrote:I'd like to see a verticle lift scale, something simple and certain to be agreeable to all, just a weight of known weight tugged straight into the air. I wonder if ground effect would come into play? ha
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As some one who points engines at the ground I can assure it is not good for the lawn:-)

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Post by Mark » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:12 am

Don't rockets need something to push against; or I should say there was a time when people thought so. It makes you wonder why they would think that though.
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re: Original Gluhareff Engines / We have 2

Post by luc » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:47 pm

Okeyy ... Follow-up addition,

As I am inspecting our two new Gluhareff engines, I have come across evidences that clearly shows me that these engines are coming from a "Tip Jet" application.

Looking at the intake and engine mounting, it is now quite obvious these are coming from rotor blades, for each of them arrived here with a blade leading edge spar.

Sadly, they were not dis-assembled, but more riped off the blades, for the spar section that came with the engines demonstrate they were broken off (Not cut or removed) but riped off.

I am currently rebuilding each engine's intake support and mounting to there original and respectfull conditions, as we honor the fact that we have two original and historical Eugene Gluhareff engines in our hand.

On second taught, we know Dave will get one as promissed but now that we are going deaper into Eugene's work and mind, I am not that sure anymore that we will sell the second engine, as this engines is still an historical one.

As Viv and I always said, our goals are to pursue the developpment of these engines, not discredit the man, for we always acknowledge his genius mind doing what he did with the technology he had at the time.

A test with the first engine is planned for this afternoon and there are more to come.

Stay tuned,

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Post by luc » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:55 pm

Okeyy guys ...

Here we have it and nothing can contradic what we have been saying for months and years.

We ran our newly acquired Gluhareff 20 Lbs. Pressure Jet and the most thrust we saw was one peak at 19.5 lbs. and only went the engine was warming up.

At full power and for the rest of the run, the engine average between 13 to 17 Lbs. of thrust, as you can see from the screen shot we took out of our DAS test stand.

As you can also see, the fuel pressure was at 155 psig. and as specified by the manual to get full thrust and it never acheived.

Here you have it now ... No arguments about it and our affirmations are now prooven fact.

Have a look ...

Cya,

Luc
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Post by Mark » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:38 pm

Did you use the ultra pure propane like Mr. Gluhareff said to? ha
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Post by luc » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:24 pm

Mark wrote:Did you use the ultra pure propane like Mr. Gluhareff said to? ha
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Haaaaa .... Come onnnnn .... Don't start with that bullshit again.

Remember, we have 2 GLC 20 Lbs. engine that actually generates 35 lbs. And this, on contaminated propane as we found out our propane supplier provided us with our first tank purchase.

Now listen ... We will provide you all with actual evidences and it will yours to take or leave it ... But will certainly not start arguing over it. It is more then enough that we provide the money, time and efforts to unveil the thruth, all this for a market that we don't have anymore interest in. We certainly won't start arguing over it.

We will soon test the second engine, bring the results to you guys and then, we will conclude this study with a final run using our 20 Lbs. GLC engine and close once and for all, this issue.

Now ... That you take it or leave it all up to you guys. If you decide to still build, buy or do everything you want with the first generation pressure is all up to you. As for our self, we will have prooven our alegations and the subject will be close.

Over all, this little study will cost us close to $2,000.00 in engines, time and efforts, just to bring the actual thruth to the public.

The rest is up to you ... Period.

Cya,

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Re: re: Original Gluhareff Engines / We have 2

Post by Viv » Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:24 pm

Mark wrote:Did you use the ultra pure propane like Mr. Gluhareff said to? ha
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No Mark we used some manky old stuff left in a bucket from the back of the work shop, we had to filter the worst of the crap out of it but it should have been ok

Viv:-)

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re: Original Gluhareff Engines / We have 2

Post by luc » Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:58 pm

Hi again,

Just realized there is a mistake in my above message including the pictures.

Can one of the moderators remove this following picture from my above message : Gluehareff 20Lbs Engine #1 Picture A.jpg

This picture actually shows a 130R being tested for one of our customers.

VIV ... You emailed me a wrong picture .... You Dummy .... That's a 130R.
Look this ... What a specialist you make Viv ... You can't see the difference between a 20 pounder and 130 pounder ...... Houuuuuuuu .... Loose the pot mate ... It does'nt suite you at all ... He he he.

Anyway ... Someone please take picture "A" out of this topic.

Regards,

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Post by Mark » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:20 am

Ok, I was just bringing up a condition Gene pointed out and/or you pointed out. He mentioned that it is important to use pure propane. You mentioned that he said that to throw everyone off the track. Then the 20 pound engine measured 19.5 pounds of thrust and after warm-up made 17 pounds of thrust or so if I read all this right.
I was reading that a blend of propane and butane for example would initially give you a higher pressure than butane, it was some topic about stoves for campers or mountain climbers. It turns out after about 2/3 of the tank is empty, most of the propane is gone, apparently not evaporating at the same rate as the butane, so the pressure decreases.
While this has nothing to do with anything, I thought it was of interest.
Here is some tidbit about BBQ propane.
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http://yarchive.net/ac/hydrocarbon_recipes.html
http://www.adventurenetwork.com/cgi-bin ... utane.html
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Post by Viv » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:00 am

Luc wrote:Hi again,

Just realized there is a mistake in my above message including the pictures.

Can one of the moderators remove this following picture from my above message : Gluehareff 20Lbs Engine #1 Picture A.jpg

This picture actually shows a 130R being tested for one of our customers.

VIV ... You emailed me a wrong picture .... You Dummy .... That's a 130R.
Look this ... What a specialist you make Viv ... You can't see the difference between a 20 pounder and 130 pounder ...... Houuuuuuuu .... Loose the pot mate ... It does'nt suite you at all ... He he he.

Anyway ... Someone please take picture "A" out of this topic.

Regards,

Luc
Oh hey! you read your email titles then mate! it said 20 pounder and 130 for comparision:-)

Edit your self mate hit the edit post button then show attachments

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Re: re: Original Gluhareff Engines / We have 2

Post by hagent » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:09 am

Mark wrote:Then the 20 pound engine measured 19.5 pounds of thrust and after warm-up made 17 pounds of thrust or so if I read all this right.
Does this mean that the engine is not quite tuned/designed to running at operating temperatures?

Thanks,
Hagen Tannberg

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