Irina Gluhareff's website

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Re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by luc » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:40 am

Greetings ladies and Gentlemens,

Last week we received a quote request from a gentlemen named Jerry. After sending our quote, Jerry questioned few points on our quote that lead to a few emails between him and us.

One of his email was quite interesting and we suggested that it should be posted and he gave us the autorisation to do so.

So, here is a part of the communication and the most important one, please read this :


Good morning luc,

I want to say first, if my question offended you, my intention were in no way challenging your product or your contribution to the revitalization of the pressure jet.

Back in the 80's i had weekly conversation with Eugene Gluhareff. I am very familiar with the presure jet and with the 55 lbs. thrust rating of the Vortec engine and Riley prints.

The three that we built according to there prints were total failures, out of months of testing we were only able to get sonic lock TWICE, total thrust 10 lbs with 160 psi nozzle pressure, it made a great burner and that was all.

No matter what coil gauge we used, alignment of the stages and the 3/4 wave lenght, we tried everything according to the print but to no avail.

In 1995 before Eugene past away he told me that the new propane on the market was contaminated and that we had to use laboratory grade propane if we wanted to get the 130 lbs thrust result. It was not just nozzle pressure but vapor temperature and velocity that was needed.

I have been to all the forum online and spent lots of $ now i am totally disgusted with this engine design but now your company came along and that is why i am sceptical.

I am very happy that you have solved this mystery

Keep in touch

Jerry Marra
pulso

Now ... Here is my answer to his message.

Greetings Jerry,

As for offending us, not at all. We just perceived your message like someone who is about to make the same mistake as many others and that I did 5 years ago ... That's all. Now, knowing who you are give mutch more weight to your message and Viv and I actually are very sorry that you went through all this and lost alot of money in that process.

We also feel that the content of your last message should be made public, so peoples will not fall into the "Vortech, R. Q. Riley and Tipjet" trap again. This why we would like your autorisation to post the content of your last message on our forum and the pulse-jets.com forum.

Now, as for the knowledge you got from Eugene, you have to understand that he deliberatly hid (Obviously from you also) important details and information. Today, we can understand him, trying to protect his secrets and perceive Eugene as a very clever man in that process.

Now, as for what Eugene told you about propane contamination, 3/4 wave lenght, coils thickness and all the others you mentioned, put that aside and forget about it. These are just misdirecting informations to keep you away from the secret code. Attached to this message, you will find a picture showing what 130 + Lbs. of thrust looks like. And beleive me, the picture you will see come from calibrated instrumentations. I guess you have missed this one when it was posted on the forum.

I hope with this message, I will revitalize your interest in that engine, because YES, this engine can deliver what it is ment too.

Do you still have the remains of your original engines? Perhaps we could rebuild those, tune and get them working for you? But be aware that this process will have a minimum cost of $1,000.00 Canadian, to completely replace the heat exchanger coils.

Otherwise, we would be happy to supply a fully built engine running to specifications with a thrust stand certificate or we would be happy for you to visite our facilities and vue the engine running on the test stand and validate the performance with your own instrumentation before taking delivery of the engine and completing the sale.

So, as you can see from this message, we are quite honnest and open about what we are doing and our operations, but again, up to the point we are not going in confidential issues.

I hope this has clarified a few areas and I will be waiting for your answer,

Best regards,

Luc Laforest
Conception GLC inc.

So ... Here it is guys. Another guy that went through the nightmare of buying engines and prints from the Websites we have been trying so hard to warn peoples against.

I hope this one too ... Will serve its purpose.

Best regards,

Luc
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Re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by Viv » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:21 am

Ben wrote:Did you really have to post it six places?
Yes because we are trying to dispell the myths! if its in six places it stands a chance of being read by some one planing to buy from them and will save them the heart ache and greaf of wasting their time and money.

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Re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by Viv » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:30 am

Ben wrote:By that logic, every "truth" should be posted multiple places on here, and the forum would be completely unreadable.
By that logic then it should be posted as a sticky or a FAQ:-)

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Re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by luc » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:42 am

Hi Ben,

I get emails everyday from peoples that have tried to build engines from those plans.

That's alot of peoples that have waisted their money and time.

Ben ... We are talking about thousands of dollars here.

And still today, peoples are still asking us "What is the difference between our engines and the Vortech or Riley ones".

Obviously, there is still some work to do in that field, because there is still peoples coming close to buy their stuff, I still see their link everwhere and until peoples get a clear picture and stop asking us ... "What is different". We will keep on going.

I think we all know what is different.

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re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by luc » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:33 pm

Greetings members,

Here's another victim of the historical Engene Gluhareff plans available on the net.

This gentlemen contacted us yesterday and authorized us to post his message. Please read and see for your self.

To whom it may concern,

As a 4th year engineering student I´m desperately in need of a 'honest'
set of plans for the 130R pressure jet in order to fit my flying wing
sailplane and finish my scientific paper.I bought a set from rqriley, but as you may know, these plans have a kind of bug or something and the output was(after a long tuning) of only 58 pounds(I felt robbed).I checked out your comments on the pulse-jet.com site and decided to contact you. We´ve got a pretty good workshop here at college - we were able to machine all the parts - though I ended up having to have the nosecone spun, due to practical reasons.Anyway,I´d appreciate if you send a quote on the technical drawings,laser-cut sheet metal parts,etc. as well as payment options.

Thank you.

Cordially,
Brunno Barreto
So, as you can see, this none sens still goes on.

I hope by our efforts, one day we will be able to warn peoples before they actually loose their money and time for nothing.

Please, pass on the word guys.

Regards,

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Re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by Mark » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:44 am

In 1995 before Eugene past away he told me that the new propane on the market was contaminated and that we had to use laboratory grade propane if we wanted to get the 130 lbs thrust result. It was not just nozzle pressure but vapor temperature and velocity that was needed.
I am very happy that you have solved this mystery.

It's a mystery to me why he would have felt the need to mislead people, if that were the case. Could it be that there is more than one variable, that Viv and Luc's secret secret is the only way or could it be that pure propane will also overcome the mystery problem. Have you Viv and Luc tried pure propane, just to see if that were a variable?
I look at my tiny Logan, it detested propane, but MAPP gas and acetylene were like a breeze, it started easily, just like the methanol I used when I first developed it.
Think of hydrogen or acetylene, it doesn't care if you are out in left field or not, it will hit the target.
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Re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by luc » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:01 pm

Hi Mark,
Mark wrote:In 1995 before Eugene past away he told me that the new propane on the market was contaminated and that we had to use laboratory grade propane if we wanted to get the 130 lbs thrust result. It was not just nozzle pressure but vapor temperature and velocity that was needed.
I am very happy that you have solved this mystery.

It's a mystery to me why he would have felt the need to mislead people, if that were the case. Could it be that there is more than one variable, that Viv and Luc's secret secret is the only way or could it be that pure propane will also overcome the mystery problem. Have you Viv and Luc tried pure propane, just to see if that were a variable?
I look at my tiny Logan, it detested propane, but MAPP gas and acetylene were like a breeze, it started easily, just like the methanol I used when I first developed it.
Think of hydrogen or acetylene, it doesn't care if you are out in left field or not, it will hit the target.
Mark
Nope ... I tried to get some pure propane, but the representative from the biggest propane company here, told me that it was not possible anymore here. So, I stoped finding excuses and start finding the real bugs.

And obviously .... We found them. These engines WILL run ... on regular and everday propane ... As we have prooved.

Cya,

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re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by Mark » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:52 am

In that one chart it shows that at 70 F or 21.1 C, 100% propane has a vapor pressure of 127 psi and a 50/50 mix of propane/butane has a vapor pressure of 68 psi.
There was another thing interesting about fuel lines gumming up with certain kinds of LPG.
And look at the wide range of mixes other countries use. I'd be curious just what kind of propane blend I am using for my gas grill variety. I suppose it is different than the HD-5 propane. Maybe is has different characteristics than say some bought in California. I just don't know.
For people in other countries, I wonder if you would have to re-tune your Gluhareffs to match the different blends?
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re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by Mark » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:57 am

I was reading in this post that in Mexico, they put more butane in to get the vapor pressure down in the hot climates.
There were a few little points on sulfur and stenchants that were interesting too, if you worry about corrosion or coking.
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http://yarchive.net/space/rocket/fuels/propane.html
http://www.test-lab.com/gasses/liquifie ... alysis.htm
Some Canadian info.
http://www2.airliquide.com/airliquide/M ... enDocument
Some California info.
http://www.napavalleypetroleum.com/msds ... ropane.htm
Some Alaska info.
http://www.aleutianpropane.com/mdss.htm
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Re: re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by Viv » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:13 pm

Mark wrote:I was reading in this post that in Mexico, they put more butane in to get the vapor pressure down in the hot climates.
There were a few little points on sulfur and stenchants that were interesting too, if you worry about corrosion or coking.
Mark
http://yarchive.net/space/rocket/fuels/propane.html
http://www.test-lab.com/gasses/liquifie ... alysis.htm
Some Canadian info.
http://www2.airliquide.com/airliquide/M ... enDocument
Some California info.
http://www.napavalleypetroleum.com/msds ... ropane.htm
Some Alaska info.
http://www.aleutianpropane.com/mdss.htm
From reading the first link Mark it seems to be about the problems using copper linings and plumbing in rocket motors, also the combustion deposits, but in a pressure jet the fuel is not burned untill the chamber and its stainless steel, now the question is do the sulfer compounds break down and react in the stainless steel heat exchanger coils? I would from experiance say no.

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Re: Irina Gluhareff's website

Post by luc » Sat May 05, 2012 2:12 am

I still remember the day in 2005 she called, telling us how GREAT we were pursuing her father's work and congradulating us on our achievments ...

Four days later she bitch on us like newbies playing with Jam Jar ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Probably after she realized she would'nt get what she first called for ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I Think Mark would call this ... How was it Mark? .... Satir & Irony?
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