Mike's Build Log
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Wow, that one looks very amazing
I am looking forward to the results
I am looking forward to the results
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Thanks, guys! Yeah, M., I'm trying to step up my build log detail. I've been inspired by Ash's build log, and some of the ones over at the GTBA.
If I finish it up this morning before work, I can hopefully make a test run this afternoon. Much to do before I leave, though.
Nick's got a site for us to run motors in the vicinity of Gloucestershire on Monday. Anyone that wants to come, please PM me and I'll send a google earth location.
If I finish it up this morning before work, I can hopefully make a test run this afternoon. Much to do before I leave, though.
Nick's got a site for us to run motors in the vicinity of Gloucestershire on Monday. Anyone that wants to come, please PM me and I'll send a google earth location.
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That is the best looking engine I´ve ever seen, it is almost a shame to run it. Some polishing and clear paint and it would make a nice bookshelf sculpture.
Just kidding, can´t wait to see how it runs!
Just kidding, can´t wait to see how it runs!
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Thanks, Anders.
I got the fuel and spark plug on it. It's ready for test this afternoon. Couple of places the TIG guy couldn't get at, so I had to hamburger it with my torch. Still looks good though. I can't wait for running it either. 6 hours and counting...
I got the fuel and spark plug on it. It's ready for test this afternoon. Couple of places the TIG guy couldn't get at, so I had to hamburger it with my torch. Still looks good though. I can't wait for running it either. 6 hours and counting...
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She runs orange hot!
...but when I went out with 30 minutes available to run it before going to the UK, all I had were empty tanks! One was up to a couple runs, but I sure couldn't get it over fueled. You'll like this vid. I did not notice the clamp undoing itself!
...but when I went out with 30 minutes available to run it before going to the UK, all I had were empty tanks! One was up to a couple runs, but I sure couldn't get it over fueled. You'll like this vid. I did not notice the clamp undoing itself!
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Run 2 with thrust gage, you can see it crest to 5.9 lb then plummet on low fuel. 270 Hz, exactly like it's 1/3 parent!
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The color was not yellow like that to my eye. Something with my camera. It was orange all over. Still learning the settings on this thing.
Likewise the autofocus is screwy for the movie. don't know why, but I'm going to figure out how to switch it to manual at least.
Video notes:
The color was not yellow like that to my eye. Something with my camera. It was orange all over. Still learning the settings on this thing.
Likewise the autofocus is screwy for the movie. don't know why, but I'm going to figure out how to switch it to manual at least.
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Great work Mike!
It ran colder on the right exhaust in the last video, was it because the engine was tilted somewhat?
It ran colder on the right exhaust in the last video, was it because the engine was tilted somewhat?
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Absolutely wonderful Mike! Yes the far engine does seem to run a little cooler, I think its due to his near empty tanks more then anything though. Wasn't much coming out the exhausts yet so I will be surprised if he doesn't near double that 5.9 figure. Wonderful work Mike, she's an absolute beauty. Starts easy too!
If you can find something to give it a really dark (black sheet) background will help see those tail plumes easier, I think your on a winner.
If you can find something to give it a really dark (black sheet) background will help see those tail plumes easier, I think your on a winner.
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Congratulations, Mike!
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Congratulations, Mike!
When he first mentioned his thrust measurement (above), I was surprised: like many folks here, I
naively assumed that this beautiful piece of work would punch out 3x the thrust of the original jet.
Then I remembered that multiple branches scale down in the general pulsejet equation: a 3-in-1 is
not the same as 3 equal copies, and 10.5 lbf of thrust (46.5 N) was never in the cards for this unit.
I offered to suss it out and to report back my results. Later that evening I left Mike voice mail and
told him that the simplest interpretation of the 3x combustor would peg maximum thrust between
6.0-6.1 lbf (27 N). I also said my result was probably an underestimate and that I would look closer.
As of this writing, I stand by a range of 6.0-6.1 lbf as the most probable thrust ceiling; however, I
offer an alternative Cronje limited evaluation that raises the ceiling to between 6.7-6.9 lbf (30 N).
I hope that Mike is able to settle this while visiting with Graham and Nick.*
near-perfect bidirectional trifurcation of his original pocket jet, the special Helmholtz equation for
pulsejets will yield the same resonance frequency. Thank you Mike, for being the one to validate it!
With respect to the observations of asymmetric heating in the combustor:
As far as the three pairs of intakes and exhausts go, they are not equals: the central pair services
ca. 25-30% more volume than either side pair and consequently develops more thrust. This is over
enforced by Cronje saturation of the side pairs (ie., decreasing combustor radius in the y-z plane).
This does not discount the stack effect stemming from the orientation of the pulsejet on its stand.
This is a foundation piece of work by Mike and in my mind a major contribution to the community.
Thanks Mike, and I wish you a safe, productive and enjoyable trip to ol' Blighty! Have a warm pint.
Cheers,
M.
*The higher thrust range is the more (technically) interesting result.
Congratulations, Mike!
I phoned Mike yesterday afternoon, moments after he concluded the test runs of his 3x pocket jet.Mike Everman wrote:You can see it crest to 5.9 lb.
When he first mentioned his thrust measurement (above), I was surprised: like many folks here, I
naively assumed that this beautiful piece of work would punch out 3x the thrust of the original jet.
Then I remembered that multiple branches scale down in the general pulsejet equation: a 3-in-1 is
not the same as 3 equal copies, and 10.5 lbf of thrust (46.5 N) was never in the cards for this unit.
I offered to suss it out and to report back my results. Later that evening I left Mike voice mail and
told him that the simplest interpretation of the 3x combustor would peg maximum thrust between
6.0-6.1 lbf (27 N). I also said my result was probably an underestimate and that I would look closer.
As of this writing, I stand by a range of 6.0-6.1 lbf as the most probable thrust ceiling; however, I
offer an alternative Cronje limited evaluation that raises the ceiling to between 6.7-6.9 lbf (30 N).
I hope that Mike is able to settle this while visiting with Graham and Nick.*
As Mike will know from many previous conversations, this is no surprise. As the 3x pocket jet is aMike Everman wrote:[It resonates at] 270 Hz, exactly like it's 1/3 parent!
near-perfect bidirectional trifurcation of his original pocket jet, the special Helmholtz equation for
pulsejets will yield the same resonance frequency. Thank you Mike, for being the one to validate it!
With respect to the observations of asymmetric heating in the combustor:
As far as the three pairs of intakes and exhausts go, they are not equals: the central pair services
ca. 25-30% more volume than either side pair and consequently develops more thrust. This is over
enforced by Cronje saturation of the side pairs (ie., decreasing combustor radius in the y-z plane).
This does not discount the stack effect stemming from the orientation of the pulsejet on its stand.
This is a foundation piece of work by Mike and in my mind a major contribution to the community.
Thanks Mike, and I wish you a safe, productive and enjoyable trip to ol' Blighty! Have a warm pint.
Cheers,
M.
*The higher thrust range is the more (technically) interesting result.
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I wonder if you made an engine with say eight tubes, same single chamber and all, if it would tend to flip-flop/recognize the oval combustion chamber in a different light? That is, would it attempt to delegate one side/end to more intaking and the far side to exhausting rather than working as a straight cluster all going uniformly? Funny how that one exhaust decided to let the other two fire off more of the activity.
I think one thing about odd shapes like ovals is that the combustion can be more erratic or the variation in reflective surfaces allows for more variables than the typical confined symmetry of a cylinder. Neat stuff and happy Zamfiring. ha
I think one thing about odd shapes like ovals is that the combustion can be more erratic or the variation in reflective surfaces allows for more variables than the typical confined symmetry of a cylinder. Neat stuff and happy Zamfiring. ha
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CONGRATULATIONS! Seems like I'm always "amazed" by something or other, but this is certainly a worthy beast to be amazed by.
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Very interesting observations about the layout, and its effects on flow distribution and power. I would have guessed that the overall behavior would bring about the same frequency (since Mike was very careful about the dimensions), but I would never have suspected such predominance of the center, in terms of flow and combustion action.
L Cottrill
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Very interesting observations about the layout, and its effects on flow distribution and power. I would have guessed that the overall behavior would bring about the same frequency (since Mike was very careful about the dimensions), but I would never have suspected such predominance of the center, in terms of flow and combustion action.
L Cottrill
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Great Work!
I would like to see this thing run on a full, peppy fresh tank. Man, what a engine. I have a hunch that the lower cylinder would glow more evenly if the motor were mounted more horizontal. Strange how the flame will migrate to the highest point in many engine CCs, not sure if thats is happening with this one but it looks it.
Joe
I would like to see this thing run on a full, peppy fresh tank. Man, what a engine. I have a hunch that the lower cylinder would glow more evenly if the motor were mounted more horizontal. Strange how the flame will migrate to the highest point in many engine CCs, not sure if thats is happening with this one but it looks it.
Joe
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Thanks all, guys!
Yeah, I think it's just convection. I need a better hold down method, but was in a hurry!
Yeah, I think it's just convection. I need a better hold down method, but was in a hurry!
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Thats a really amazing build, just read this thread though from the beginning and its amazing to see the evolution! Well done mate!! Makes me want to try and make one lol