Hydrogen

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:15 pm

Would it be possible to use gold to buy silver?
Mark

Jim Berquist · Post by **Jim Berquist** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:21 pm

I'll let you know! I'm out a job at the moment and the price of gold is over $700.00 a Onze. I think it's time to go panning again. Not far from Silver City there are some places that I have panned 1/2 in a weekend.

Maybe I could by some hydrogen to power the new 20lb er coming from Adam!

Jim

Jim Berquist · Post by **Jim Berquist** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:37 pm

Why is everyones facination with hydrogen?

Yes it burns clean.

But what did you have to burn, consume, react in order to produce, compress, liquify, contain, tranport the same.

It's not that cheap to produce.

It's hard to handle and transport.

The Bang for the Buck is fare not high!

Any savings or benifite you realize was lost in the production of it.

http://www.hyweb.de/Knowledge/w-i-energiew-eng3.html

http://www.hydrogen.org/Wissen/pdf/IEA- ... ec1999.pdf

Jim

Sicarius · Post by **Sicarius** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:57 pm

hydrogen is easy to produce and is practicly free if you have some solar panels and some time to wait while it is electrolized and and then compressed into a gas bottle and a diving tank.

then after about two days the tanks are full and ready to use on whatever application like a pulsejet in my case

Jim Berquist · Post by **Jim Berquist** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:00 pm

Yes small amounts are easy to come by . I was talking commercial.

It would not be in useable form for a engine. How would you compress it and store? You would not have enough volume to run a engine.

Aluminum/Lye reaction produces much faster with tones of heat. But again how do you compress and contain it?

Jim

Sicarius · Post by **Sicarius** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:28 pm

how i compress it is actually a secret at the moment untill i can get a patent on it

and to store is simple
one dive tank for the oxygen
one lpg tank for the hydrogen

Jim Berquist · Post by **Jim Berquist** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:39 pm

Nothing is FREE. Free lunches don't happen in the energy world. All your doing is changing one energe state for another! It cost you energy to change each and every state.

Are you building a rocket or P.J. ?

If your into Rockets, you should be looking in the rocket Forum section. The U.K. Has liquid Rocket forums that may help you! They are able to build them ! They are allowed to biuld them with less restrictions then solid fuel type. I'm shure big brother is watching!!!!!

Jim

leo · Post by **leo** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:26 pm

Sicarius wrote:how i compress it is actually a secret at the moment untill i can get a patent on it

and to store is simple
one dive tank for the oxygen
one lpg tank for the hydrogen

You donâ€™t have to compress it, it seems that electrolysis ask almost the same current and voltage under different pressures, so the electrolysis delivers the pressure you want.
Its only dangerous the have high pressure hydrogen and oxygen in the same device.
I always wonder if there is some free energy in it.

leo · Post by **leo** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:41 pm

If you want to now more Google .
high pressure hydrogen electrolysis

Post by **Mike Everman** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:21 am

faaaascinating. I always wondered if that would work. No need for a pump. Wild.

Jim Berquist · Post by **Jim Berquist** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:33 am

I know that you obtain h2 from one polarity of the the source and o2 from the other polarity. What is the pressure differential between the two so as you can keep them seperate?

Jim

El-Kablooey · Post by **El-Kablooey** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:49 am

That's really interesting Leo, thanks. A few references even claim that the water being under pressure increases efficiency. Very neat, that is a HUGE savings when compared to using a high-pressure compressor.

leo · Post by **leo** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:06 pm

I even read somewhere that by expanding the high pressure Oxygen from such a system, they ware able to use that energy and cooling to liquefy the Hydrogen, donâ€™t can find the link so fast.

Jim Berquist · Post by **Jim Berquist** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:43 pm

When I was in the military they had a hanger with this huge pump set up . When you was in there it sounded like you was in a bee hive with hearing aids in both ears. It took out side air filtered it, compressed it through god knows how many stages. The first product produced was water. Then came Co2 they used to make Dry Ice. Then O2 was used for flight purposes. The Nitrogen was used to inflate tires and dry things out.

On Google I learned that I am most behind the Leaning Curve. People are using it for heat, cooking, and other domestic purposes.. I need to learn more about this thing! It wouldn't take to much to save on the Propane Bill...

Jim

Eric · Post by **Eric** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:46 am

Where are you getting your free solar pannels from? I would very much like some of those to make free hydrogen :)

Heat the water up to 2400 degrees C at 5000 psi, zapp it with some free electricity... sounds like fun.

Eric

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