Chinese, LH: Same Thing!
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:26 am
Here it is, all the discussion about Chinese engines being quarter wave engines, and LH engines being half wave engines, and I can put it to rest right now. Thanks to Graham for pushing me toward this.
The short of it is, they are the same. If you take the intake off of the front of an LH and put it on the back of the CC as shown, both engines have the same frequency. Faaascinating. I don't know about you guys, but I expected the freqency to drop a for a lot for a closed end of the same length.
The Chinese style has the advantage that pressure waves cross the CC twice per cycle, so it allows for higher pressure peaks and therefore frequency and therefore shorter engines. They're about 1/7 shorter for the same frequency just moving the intake.
At the end of my test program, I'll know if you can attain the same thrust as an LH for a given CC dia with the chinese layout. I'm going to predict not. I think the forgiving nature of the Chinese layout comes at the price of max thrust, but as a little bird kept a chirping, it has more thermal efficiency.
I asserted the other day that we should look at the S/LH was two quarter wave tubes back to back, with the pressure antinode (call it Pantinode) at about .25L, and that the Chinese was two quarter wave tubes with pantinodes that are the closed end. I believe this is an appropriate way to look at them.
I'll be gathering thrust and sfc curves at every step. The current setup has the cc entry at L/8 and the intake length L/6. I wanted L/6 for the entry, but the cc wasn't long enough, and FWE is good with it, so press on. Overall length is 42".
My plans, in order:
1. blend the intake flare better, I was in a hurry, gather data as is.
2. pinch the intake a bit, maybe pinch the fuel jet a bit, see if I can get a larger spread between low and max thrust.
3. take a section of intake out to make it 1/6 of the tail only, allowing re-installing of this section with band clamps.
4. Lengthen the CC until the inlet to cc is at L/6 and add a bit to the exhaust to get me to L/3 ass-to-intake (like a classic chinese).
The short of it is, they are the same. If you take the intake off of the front of an LH and put it on the back of the CC as shown, both engines have the same frequency. Faaascinating. I don't know about you guys, but I expected the freqency to drop a for a lot for a closed end of the same length.
The Chinese style has the advantage that pressure waves cross the CC twice per cycle, so it allows for higher pressure peaks and therefore frequency and therefore shorter engines. They're about 1/7 shorter for the same frequency just moving the intake.
At the end of my test program, I'll know if you can attain the same thrust as an LH for a given CC dia with the chinese layout. I'm going to predict not. I think the forgiving nature of the Chinese layout comes at the price of max thrust, but as a little bird kept a chirping, it has more thermal efficiency.
I asserted the other day that we should look at the S/LH was two quarter wave tubes back to back, with the pressure antinode (call it Pantinode) at about .25L, and that the Chinese was two quarter wave tubes with pantinodes that are the closed end. I believe this is an appropriate way to look at them.
I'll be gathering thrust and sfc curves at every step. The current setup has the cc entry at L/8 and the intake length L/6. I wanted L/6 for the entry, but the cc wasn't long enough, and FWE is good with it, so press on. Overall length is 42".
My plans, in order:
1. blend the intake flare better, I was in a hurry, gather data as is.
2. pinch the intake a bit, maybe pinch the fuel jet a bit, see if I can get a larger spread between low and max thrust.
3. take a section of intake out to make it 1/6 of the tail only, allowing re-installing of this section with band clamps.
4. Lengthen the CC until the inlet to cc is at L/6 and add a bit to the exhaust to get me to L/3 ass-to-intake (like a classic chinese).