Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

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Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:11 am

Geocities closed down their free website hosting last month. My first webpage was hosted by them.

I had the choice of downloading everything again or lose it. What a pain it was to download from that site!

Anyways, I had links on the old pulse jet forum to things I had posted there.

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One of these 'things' was a program I wrote in C back in 2002. I wrote this before Eric's calculator. It was compiled and ran as an executable in a console window on a µSoft windows machine.
  • It would calculate the total volume of a pulse jet made up of any number of cylinders and frustum of cones.
  • The dimensions were interactively input by the user.
  • It would also estimate the fundamental cycling frequency.
  • It would be a fairly simple matter to now incorporate an estimate of thrust.
If there is any interest, I can link to it again (somewhere).

PS It is frustum of cone, not as I misspelled it some almost 7 years ago.
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by PyroJoe » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:24 am

Would like to try the program and see how it does. Have worked with Erics calculator in the past and found it a useful tool. Could the program be used in conjunction with your other work to match a PJ body with a specific valve head frequency?

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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:28 am

 Sorry for the delay. I do my own mechanic-ing on my cars and had to replace the water pump on my transverse mounted, Buick 3.3L, V-6 engine. It actually was pretty easy - much like an in-line V-8 except you don't have to 'pull' the radiator. I had to remove the tensioner pulley in order to remove two of the pump bolts. The pulley bearing 'rides' on a left hand threaded bolt. I just removed the bolt.

What I have is an executeable.
  • I wrote it for Win '98 SE
  • It should work on XP, maybe on Vista
  • It does not work on Linux in a command line Terminal window; enough on 'C' being portable.
  • It does not work using DosBox, but does work using Wine on Linux
Before releasing it again, I need to find the source code and my notes.

Please be patient.
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by tufty » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:03 am

WebPilot wrote:What I have is an executeable.

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[*]It does not work on Linux in a command line Terminal window; enough on 'C' being portable.
C, in source code form, is highly portable as long as it doesn't use any platform-specific libraries. Compiled executables are not, they are packaged according to the rules of the particular host system. DOS / Windows executables use PEF (which, amusingly enough, stands for "Portable Executable Format"), whilst Linux generally uses ELF. OSX uses Mach-O, the only one that really gives you multiplatform support, as it allows binaries for multiple architectures to be bundled in one file; they'll only run under OSX, but you don't have to worry about PowerPC vs 64-bit PowerPC vs Intel vs 64-bit intel, etc. Some other Unixes use COFF, which is not a million miles from PEF. There are many other formats, none of which are compatible.

So, your PEF executable, compiled under W98, should work under W95+, up to and including MS' latest crapware. It won't work under DOS, complaining that it needs to be run under windows. This is a vagary of the PEF format, there's a "stub" program that gets run when you're under DOS. Yes, that stub *is* included in every executable on your system. For the sake of redundancy, I guess. It will run under WINE, which provides a windows-alike interface for PEF executables. It won't work under BeOS, MacOS (9 or X), GEM on the Atari ST, an unexpanded ZX-81, etc.

If you can dig out the source, it should be able to be made to run on all of the above and more (with the probable exception of the ZX-81, which could only do integer maths and only had 1K of memory).

FWIW, If you were to rewrite this, I'd strongly consider using either a low-level library that gives proper numeric types as opposed to using floats / doubles, or doing it using a package like Octave or SciLab.

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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:26 pm

 Thanks for all that, Simon. I feel like I just went to a wiki-pedi; perhaps more like a tufti-pedia.

 Really, I wasn't too surprised the .exe file did not run natively under Linux, but I am surprised the source won't compile now even though I used gcc, the GNU compiler, under µSoft windows and now under Linux. I'll figure it out but, this means that any code I write now in C, the .exe file won't run on µSoft machines unless I take the source, rewrite it a little and compile it there. That means more work, and I'd rather work more efficiently.

 Sorry, t. I'm still using floats, ints and chars

 I have used Octave, a little, but I can't imagine a large % of the forum readers are going to learn how to use that program. However, to run Octave on a µSoft machine, you have to create a small unix-like environment. If we could get the program, bc, to run in that environment, then, that would be great. It is easy to program, it's like C, and I think it would be easy for a BASIC programmer to 'pick up'. However, I'm dreaming.

 Joe, are you game?



 Here is the zipped executeable; it works on the above platforms 'as is'.
Design_Tool-exe.zip
(6.29 KiB) Downloaded 172 times
the final screen:
Design_Tool.gif
a small user guide:
User_Guide.txt
(1.66 KiB) Downloaded 150 times
this is the test case:
test_case_a.gif
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by PyroJoe » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:46 pm

Thanks Forrest,
For some reason XP didn't run it through. Just gave a "do you wish to continue: <y or n>_"
Pressing y or n will repeat the phrase.

If I had a .zip file containing the source code saved as .TXT I could try it in BASIC.
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:52 pm

 Joe, thanks for testing and reporting back. I have a laptop now with XP on it. I have 2 'work arounds' I want to try first. Let me get back to you later this evening. I may have an answer (and the code functioning) by then.

BTW Your error is the same error I got when I tried to run the code natively under Linux.
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:10 am

 I transferred a copy of the code to my laptop and ran it from the command prompt in XP. The program asked me "Pick a volume shape: 1. Cylinder, or 2. Frustrum of Cone ?". IOW, it worked. I ran through the entire test case and it gave me the final expected answer.

WTF!

 Joe's getting the same error message on XP as I did in Linux ran 'round in my mind. Then it hit me. I went back and compared the executeable I posted on the forum to the one from my source files; I found 3 files with the same name of differing file sizes. The one I originally posted is a broken version. I've linked a good version in its place.

Go back up and download it again, please.

 I know this version works
  • in µSoft Windows '98 SE at the command prompt,
  • in µSoft Windows XP at the command prompt and
  • natively in Ubuntu Linux 8.04 (Hardy Heron) in a Terminal window.
 Seven years ago, I chose C in which to write code in order to program across platforms. I now know I've succeeded in bridging Windows to Linux. I originally wrote this program in a unix-like environment using GNU's gcc compiler on a Pentium II class machine running Windows '98 SE.

Yippee! It works in Linux, too.
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by PyroJoe » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:09 pm

Looking good here:
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:09 pm

Here too, Joe. Anyone else?

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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by tufty » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:37 pm

How in god's name is that working, Forrest? Wine picking it up on a command line basis, or what? Mono, maybe?

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insurgent:Desktop simon$ file Design_Tool\ 2.exe 
Design_Tool 2.exe: PE32 executable for MS Windows (console) Intel 80386 32-bit
This has me very intrigued. Can you do a quick 'ldd' on it under linux?

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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:05 pm

Pretty amazing, eh?

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$ ldd Design_Tool.exe
   not a dynamic executable
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:26 am


 This program would not run under my fresh, Hardy Heron installation on my Toshiba Satellite lap top. There is neither wine nor a complete C compiler installation (among other things) on it. So, using my Acer desktop, I set about reading compiler 'squawks' and editing the source code until I got the the program to run. I moved the file to my Toshiba, and it ran there, too. 8)

 Here are the mods I had to make converting the program from the µSoft win to Linux versions. Actually, there were only a few.
  • compiler instructions: (link the math library)
    gcc -Wall -lm Design_Aid-L.c -o Design_Aid-L
  • comment this line out!
    /* #include <conio.h> */
  • change getch(); to getchar(); in four different lines
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by Ghrey » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:34 am

Yup it is good under Hardy 8.04

==================================================================================

Volume of cylinder is 1.202641 in^3
Do you wish to add another volume ? (y or n) y

Pick a volume shape: 1. Cylinder, or 2. Frustrum of Cone ?1

Diameter (inches).375

Length (inch)16


Volume of cylinder is 1.767146 in^3
Do you wish to add another volume ? (y or n) n

The total volume is 12.394565 inches^3
The total length is 19.500000 inches^3

Thrust prediction is currently under development...

Cycle frequency is 229.021576 cps [Hz]

Slenderness ratio (length/mean_diameter) is 21.676105

...exitting...........press <Enter> key

===============================================================================

Dimensions approximated from one of my quasi jamjars.

Thanks Forrest This is a cool tool...
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Re: Computing volume … estimating cycle freq

Post by WebPilot » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:31 pm


 You're welcome Ghrey. I thought it may still have some 'life' left in it.

 I'm curious how'd you launch it in Hardy? You do have wine installed?
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