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Post by Viv » Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:53 pm

Very impressive work, well done

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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by zono » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:13 pm

thanks, Viv !

Next time I will add some effects to visualize the run parameters. First show effect will visualize the exhaust impulse (damage of a sheet of paper, push-away a paper bin....) . For measurements I will construct a impulse-pendulum to indicate the impulse ( impulse conservation law : m1 v1 = m2 v2) to confirm 1800 m/s exhaust velocity (or whatever it indicates).

Next step is an improved injection and ignition control by Atmega169. Programming is done already, but my #@!?*$&§ Power-Mosfets do need 15V gate voltage, and the Atmega only provides 3,3V. ...Looking for a 15V line buffer (line driver).

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Post by Viv » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:20 pm

Hi Zono.

Ok That's all good, for the Mosfets you can try a standard opto-isolator, that will keep your logic devices safe on one side and you can simply power the other side with what ever gate voltage you want.

Pendulum thrust stands are a good choice but watch how you read it and calculate your results, it can be tricky to get a truthful reading as others have demonstrated in the past.

As I said good work, I enjoyed following your test

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Post by metiz » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:51 pm

Guess I have to eat my hat :D realy nice work!

With the right software and hardware in place, what kind of detonation frequency do you hope to achieve?
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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by zono » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:08 pm

@metiz:
I think 1...2 Hz. Filling is the bottleneck.

@Viv:
thanks, opto-coupling is expensive, but you are right! Best for safety.

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Post by PyroJoe » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:30 pm

Good work!
Nice to see one put together.

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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by Viv » Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:52 pm

zono wrote:@metiz:
I think 1...2 Hz. Filling is the bottleneck.

@Viv:
thanks, opto-coupling is expensive, but you are right! Best for safety.

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Hi Zono

Sorry expensive? are talking about the same thing, should be cheap as chips.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opto-isolator
http://www.electronicrepairguide.com/optocoupler.html

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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by zono » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:03 pm

hmmm right Viv, I found some opto for less than 1$ .....lets try transistor-optos and triac-optos

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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by Viv » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:21 pm

zono wrote:hmmm right Viv, I found some opto for less than 1$ .....lets try transistor-optos and triac-optos

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Keep it simple and go for the transistor ones as it will be easier for you to interface than the triac versions (better for high power operation in PSU)

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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by zono » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:28 pm

See some details of the test rig:

spark plug, gas injector and solenoid valve

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Post by zono » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:38 pm

Hi friends,

new runs of Predator were done on DOT (Days of speed and Thunder, big pulsejet meeting in Rothenburg, Germany at 17.-19. May 2012, http://www.pulsotriebwerk.de).

As announced before, I tested MCU controlled gas injection and ignition - with great success!

Now I am posting the first images. More come in the next days...

PS: the supports were rammed into the soil due to the detonation impulses
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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by zono » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:02 pm

and here are the vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn9I1RXT0TM&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYLmpxKcnDM&feature=plcp

Detonation shockwaves had awsome intensity. They destroyed parts of my test rig (momentum gauge)
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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by zono » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:00 pm

hmmmm

nobody left in the PDE forum? Nobody interested any more? Not even defense industry ;-)

have a look above. New runs done in May 2012.
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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by metiz » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:57 pm

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Re: PREDATOR - valveless PDE build blog

Post by Mike Everman » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:08 pm

Oh, definitely still interested!
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